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GuyM
Posted: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:47:58 AM
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Exkvate3140 wrote:
Guy do you know how and why Poclain and Case became involved with each other.
Steve


Steve,

In the seventies, during the oil price crisis, Poclain faced financial difficulties and Case bought in 1974 a large part of Poclain shares. Case-Teneco shares increase to 40% in 1983, when they took-over the management of the French company. The Poclain company was taken-over by Case to become Case-Poclain, which was bought by New Holland in 1999 (the FIAT plant equipment subsidiary).
I think that the Poclain Crepy-en-Valois historical French factory closed down in the first part of years 2000, with equipment construction being transferred to other Case New Holland European subsidiaries (loaders in Italy and excavators in Germany).

Regards.
Guy
Exkvate3140
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:16:53 AM
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Guy thanks for the detailed response on the two companies, do you still see Poclain excavators running in your neck of the woods.
Steve
GuyM
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:44:36 PM
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Steve,

There are quite a lot of Poclain 2nd generation machines still in activity here:



Most of 1st generation machines are out of service these days but quite a few are now being restored:



Eric Moutot is well known in France for his large fleet of restored Poclain units, in operational condition. He repatriated a 1000CK from Spain some years ago, to restore it: https://www.earthmoversmagazine.co.uk/news/view,poclain-1000-roars-into-life_690.htm

Pictures B. Beytekin and Laumesfeld.

I hope this helps.
Guy
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Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 1:57:12 AM
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Guy thanks for the information and pictures, there was a 3 wheeled excavator like the one shown in your pictures that a utility contractor had in our area in the late 80’s.
Steve
GuyM
Posted: Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:20:13 AM
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GuyM wrote:
Prior to split its various modules [...], the Heidelberg Speedmaster CD 102-4 printing line [...]


In the Netherlands, transfer by Bolk Transport of the Heidelberg SM CD 102-4 printing line:





- on the left: Volvo FH04-T500 6x2/4 tractor and Nooteboom MCO 48-03V (VM) 3-axle extendable semi-lowbed semi-trailer (WSI models) loaded with 2 assemblies of 2 Heidelberg Prinect Easy Control monocolor printing modules (Conrad elements) and with a Heidelberg Prinect Press Center 2 control/command desk (Conrad element),

- on the right: Volvo FH16III-P500 8x2/6 flatbed truck equipped with a Palfinger PK 78002 SH knuckleboom crane (WSI models) loaded with a Heidelberg Preset Plus Feeder feeding and alignment module (Conrad element) and towing a GS Meppel 1+2-axle extendable flatbed drawbar trailer (WSI model) carrying a Heidelberg Preset Plus Dryer drying module and a Heidelberg Preset Plus Delivery storage module (Conrad elements).

To be continued.
Guy
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To be continued.
Guy
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Guy
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Really like the way it splits up for loading.Looks really good on those trucks.What would that weigh?
GuyM
Posted: Thursday, January 30, 2020 2:38:12 PM
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modelmaniac,

I've done some searches on the web and the only weight I could come with was 32.2 tonnes for a Speedmaster CD 102-4 printing line: it's not clear (in the advert) what is included in that weight, is that for 4 printing modules only? For a basic line like this one?
The Heidelberg website does not provide any information, neither on individual modules weight, nor on a Speedmaster basic printing line: https://www.heidelberg.com/global/en/products/offset_printing/format_70_x_100/spedmaster_cd_102/product_information_10/product_information_15.jsp

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Guy
GuyM
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GuyM wrote:
Far less impressive but also major contributors to the success of the hydraulics approach in digging and lifting activities, some more Poclain machines [...]


First generation machines were designed for numerous duties and produced with all sorts of attachments, that widely contributed to Poclain success:









To be continued.
Guy
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First signs of Case entry into the Poclain Group, paint design changed (at rear), with the Company "red" to evolve soon in a far less attractive brown color:





Regards.
Guy

Exkvate3140
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Guy how do you like model with the excavator mounted on the ten wheeler, I always liked that model from Conrad but I could never pull the trigger on it.
Steve
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Exkvate3140 wrote:
Guy how do you like model with the excavator mounted on the ten wheeler, I always liked that model from Conrad but I could never pull the trigger on it.
Steve


Steve,

I suspect the Poclain excavator on the GMC to be a mix of a Conrad superstructure on an ASAM carrier, as A. Smith - as far as I know - produced to Virus (a French model collector shop) the shovel version below only:



The question was asked already on a French forum: I shall inquire about it and let you know.

Regards.
Guy
Exkvate3140
Posted: Monday, February 03, 2020 11:44:46 PM
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Thanks for the response Guy, I actually like the shovel better. I have never seen the shovel before and I thought the hoe was was all Conrad, but I now believe the Conrad version had a different make truck as the carrier.
Steve
GuyM
Posted: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 5:47:38 AM
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Exkvate3140 wrote:
[...] I have never seen the shovel before and I thought the hoe was was all Conrad, but I now believe the Conrad version had a different make truck as the carrier. [...]


Someone indicated on the French forum, where these pictures are displayed as well, that both Poclain shovel and excavator versions were produced by ASAM for Virus, but on different GMC CCKW 6x6 carriers (closed and soft cabs):



The 2nd one looks exactly like the Conrad version.
What puzzles me is that Jean-Jacques' version displayed lacks any GMC spare wheel but has lifting eyes at front of the Poclain chassis: one of their modifications?

I hope this helps.
Guy

Exkvate3140
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Guy thanks again for the information, and that GMC chassis looks exactly like the Conrad. I tried looking for a picture of the Conrad version but could not find one on DHS website.
Steve
GuyM
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Exkvate3140 wrote:
[...] I tried looking for a picture of the Conrad version but could not find one on DHS website.
Steve


Here is mine:



I hope this helps.
Guy
Exkvate3140
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Thanks Guy.
Steve
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