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At my work, Everything is set up as backhoe controls, or as I think ISO. As I understand it, very few companies choose to run their excavators this way. The company started out with a backhoe, so I guess they just kept the controls they liked. Personally I like it, but that's just the way I learned.   That being said, the few times I have run someone else's machine as SAE, it was not a pretty sight. It takes a while to get my hands to do what my brain wants to.  Luckily the newer stuff switches at the drop of a hat. Does everyone else run SAE?
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I like the iso better, most equipment I've run are setup that way
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I like iso it works better for me, Sae seems confusing.
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Likewise, everything I've run was ISO. Though for kicks, try a Gradall and that will mess me up. It has been so long that I cannot remember whether it was SAE.
Likewise Bobcat brand skidsteers are also a bit different from the others. So, if you are an old Bobcat operator try switching to another brand.
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* Edited, SAE, ISO, CAT Deere, whatever... I've worked with operators that can only run "Deere controls" which really makes me scratch my head, seriously?! ever since Deere partnered with Hitachi, they've come with SAE (Cat) controls, which means the operators have only run machines older than I am? Since almost all large excavators made after 1980 come standard with SAE controls, there's no reason any operator should not be familiar with them. and if the excuse is that they only run "backhoe" controls, well then they have no business on a demo job. DC Craneman wrote:
Likewise Bobcat brand skidsteers are also a bit different from the others. So, if you are an old Bobcat operator try switching to another brand.
This is true, Like any good wrecker, I can run the wheels off of a Bobcat, but put me in a Case and Look out! I compare bobcat controls to Cat Loader controls, it's just intuitive to me, I got stuck with a Takeuchi for the better part of my current job, joystick controls are easy to master, but still very limited when it comes to finesse compared to a Bobcat.
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I prefer SAE... bucket curl and lift is in the right hand, just like a loader, or dozer blade control... it's in the right hand. Also it's how we have all our hoes set up at work. Take me a few minutes but I'm sure I could get back into the swing of things with ISO too. DC... Gradall's can have ISO, SAE or their own funky pattern... left hand is boom lift and bucket curl and right hand is stick in and out and swing. *Edit... must have posted at the same time as you Eric. Now I always get confused, do I have ISO and SAE mixed up? Which ever has right hand boom up/down and bucket curl/dump is the one I meant 
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No Jim, you have it right, Eric has it backwards.
I prefer SAE controls myself, but if you really want to have fun, go run a rope shovel.......the swing is on the right hand. Needless to say, learning to change that really messed me up for a while.
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my brother can run either or and if your watching the machine work...you cant tell any difference. hes just as smooth in either mode...me ? forget it. i can hold my own with the sae but switch it over and i cant even pick a rock...its pretty bad.
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Did we just go from backhoe loader to talking bout skid steer loaders
i prefer iso on backhoe but do find my self changing if i just spent 5 day on the excavator, if you get what i mean and love iso on skidsteer loader *hand control* (posi track asv/terex - bobcat - new holland- cat -takeuchi) etc.
Dut due to jobs i do i have to operate what i am given or can hire(price wise) toyota huski haha(fantastic and easy fixed)
btw hate case controls H pattern so good that they did iso option in 2010.
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The SAE standard was created by the Society of Automotive Engineers. It is a United States headquartered body so is the defacto American standard.
The ISO standard is one that is set by the International Organization of Standards in Switzerland and is used by many manufacturers outside the United States. Yes there is a Greek or Latin reason that it is ISO rather than IOS as they used the word for equals.
Hence many of the major foreign built machines use ISO while Cat began with SAE. Note, now that Cat and others are going to electronic over hydraulic controls, the pattern can be set by the touch of a button. On the older machines, lines were often moved to match the preference of the operator.
Our excavators were initially all Cat with four Hitachi's added. I became more hoe involved after the Hitachi's arrived. To further confuse things, we occassionally had to place a hoe operator on a Gradall. That was the real mess.
This is one of those like why we in the US don't go to metric measurement and join the rest of the world.
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All the backhoes I have ran were all ISO (which DC, I think is for International Standards Organization they just switched the words) and I have ran Both John Deere and Caterpillar. The only backhoe I found hard to run was the old International one with the sticks on both sides of the seat (2 on one side and 2 on the other). I got used to running the older Case hoes with the four sticks and foot pedals too, the foot pedals were to swing the hoe boom left or right!!
The only piece of equipment I have ran so far that has had the SAE (Cat style) was a Kubota mini excavator. That had a lever to switch the pattern from ISO to SAE.
The one guy loved running it in SAE because he had run Cat equipment that was set up in SAE and when I got on the mini I used to have to make sure it was switched to ISO.
Now if you all think skidsteers are hard try running a New Holland 175, the bucket and boom arm are used with foot pedals like the older Bobcats were!! Also I loved running the 297C Cat multi terran loader with the joysticks, I had better production once I got the hang of them in about a day!!
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A farmer I used to work for had a old Gehl skid loader. It was really weired. No pedals all hand. One hand controlled the bucket. The other controlled forward, backward and steering. I don't know if all Gehl are like that as that is the only one I have ever seen.
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most skid steer companies give the buyer a choice what control they want (cost involved)
cat and takeuchi are joystick,
terex and asv positrack are joystick well up untill the realeased the new terex wheeled verison (both can now be swap 2 H controls),
case have done the same thing both type of hand control are available (pilot and H type),
new holland are hand and foot control (older) or pilot on ls 170 up and all new tracked skid steers,
bobcat can be all 3 type hand/foot - H - pilot,
toyota huski hand/foot and pilot control on new 5sdk8 to 5sdk11,
thomas hand/foot (hate them)
they are all the skid steer companies i have operated or owned
Matty
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