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BryanG
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 4:33:54 PM

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They are only producing 1500 of them per the facebook posts
Paul R
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:21:27 PM

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BryanG wrote:
They are only producing 1500 of them per the facebook posts


That's a far higher number than I had anticipated to be honest.

Paul R
chevyman
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 5:56:17 PM

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1500 was higher then I thought it would be too. It's still only half of the 18000's produced which was 3000-3500 I think counting all colors and the diecast boom version.
bryce
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:30:42 PM

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@ BryanG

Thank you for the information... that seems lower than what I anticipated... If you figure the amount you would have to sell to recover the design and engineering, it seems you would have to sell more, similar to the 18000. It does indeed look to be a great model.

Thanks
RobS
Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2017 10:02:06 PM
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I may be the only one who has dis-assembled rather than assemble the model! Not sure I'll put it all together as we are moving later this year. Still fun though, here are a few shots from today:





Rob
Paul R
Posted: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:46:58 AM

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Rob,
Nice photos and good to see it disassembled. That seemed to be one of the main USP's for this model and from your two photos, looks impressive.

If a European company buys one and a 1:50 model is made in company colours then I can see me buying one.

Paul R
Paul R
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:02:57 AM

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I'm surprised Brandon hasn't posted some pics here. He's taken loads including a stop motion of the assembly. About the only criticism I've heard so far is that there is not enough line to operate the luffing jib properly.

Paul R
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Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:05:36 AM
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Paul,
He has a assembly video on youtube.
Paul R
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:09:23 AM

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steelman wrote:
Paul,
He has a assembly video on youtube.


Yes I've seen it and it's great. But normally posts something here for those not on social media.

Cheers,

Paul
SDBOB
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:27:07 AM
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Thanks one and alll.Liked video Brandon thanks. Geez I do not work thst fast. Can't wait.
RobS
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:52:37 AM
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Here's Brandon's rapid assembly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o9s1HN1Geg&t=194s

Rob
Alberta Millwright
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:54:20 PM

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Any company liveries planned?

A Millwright..... in Alberta.
cranedude07
Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 11:46:51 PM

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sorry i don't post much on here anymore, seems everyone has some sort of social media these days and its a lot easier and quicker to post photos on those platforms rather than here. but ill post a few photos here for the guys who don't have social media.

The 650 is very very nice! I'm very happy with it. now as I've said before and will always say, you will never get a perfect model that everyone is happy with and no complaints. just not ever going to happen, as everyone has their own likes/dislikes, opinions.
As Paul stated above, the main boom equalizer/bridle drum and luffing drum did not have enough line to boom down, if you see in my assembly video, i get halfway through reeving the bridle and run out of line, and end up pulling it off and replacing it with my own (ycc line). and i reeved the the buffer with the line supplied, but thats the lowest angle it will go, no more line in the drum. i was going to change it out in the video but ill have to take the boom apart to get to that drum, its the small drum in the boom butt. now if you have seen Ians (cranes etc) video of when he visited the factory where these are being built, he shows the workers adding the line to each drum, so not all drums will have the same amount of line. mine happened to be short, by a lot. but thats not a big issue for me as i have a few spools i can replace it with, to others it may be. also, the line provided with the first batch of 650s, for some reason is wax coated line. the line is actually not too bad, it actually makes reeving easier as the line is stiffer, but it does have a waxy feel. i have talked to milo, the engineer on the mlcs, and he said the line provided is not what he planned on using, so the guys at the factory are to blame on that, and I'm positive he will, if not already, talk with those guys to resolve the issues with the line.

Now, assembly went together very easily, except, i would recommend taking the luffing struts off once you assemble the boom, it was pretty difficult to get in there to the sheave guide for the luffer and to attach the main boom pendants to the boom top, the struts are in the way. but YES, THEY DO COME OFF EASILY, they are just bolted to the top, just about everything on this model uses tiny nuts and bolts, like nzg only these are black.

The pendants are very thin also, so be careful when handling them, they can bend super easy.

The a frame is operated by 2 separate drums, as most collectors know with the a frames that are reeved with 2 lines/split drum, one side tends to go slack while the other is tight, with this system, you can wind both up, and one at a time, whichever side needs it.

The entire crane is able to be disassembled, even the tracks, although they were attached to the rotating bed in the box. everything is bolted or screwed together, the only thing that isn't are the house jacks, they use steel pins to lock them into position.

The drums have a locking mechanism, not quite as good as nzg but same idea.

All the sheaves are metal and individual, and roll very smoothly. not a lot of play in them like past manitowoc models, except the far outside sheaves on the luffer struts, 1 on each side, they do have a lot of space to tilt, rest are fine.

It comes with 3 hooks, the headache ball (which for the first time I've ever seen, actually swivels), a 3 sheave block, and the big block (14 sheave), which however can not be split apart, all riveted together, but all the hooks swing and swivel. the big block is not too bad to reeve, its like the cc8800 blocks with the enclosed sheaves so the line slides right through with the sheave. the 3 sheave block however is not the same, has a hole underneath so it will be more difficult to reeve than the bigger one.

The VPC works flawlessly. It has a toothed rail underneath the house and vpc-max sliding arm, and there are rubber rollers in the tray and vpc (motor) that help hold the tray in position, no pins. the vpc-max arm seems a little tight to slide, as you can feel the arm sliding over the toothed rail. but seems realistic.

Mine was short 1 of the short bolts, (used for the pendants) but i have a couple spare longer ones that i could use. have about 6 extras of those. however ben says he was short quite a few on his. which is why he doesn't have his up yet. but he has some on the way already.

The manual is very nice, its all color photos, and laminated. shows reeving diagrams for the bridle and luffer, nothing for the hooks except which way to run the line for the block. and nothing for the a frame as it comes reeved already. **id save the clear plastic spacer that holds up the a frame if you plan on reconfiguring the model at some point** however, the manual tells you to cross reeve, which wasn't bad on the bridle, it actually raises and lowers fine, the luffer does not though, i ended up reeving it left to right. and tied it off onto one of the many holes on the sides. everything has tie off points/beckets.

It stands at 85 inches tall.

Well i think thats enough rambling. i will get a review out soon, ian will probably have his up before me id say


vpc all the way in and all the way out








heres the outside sheaves i mentioned were loose on the struts






















































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Scheggaboochee
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:57:03 AM

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It looks awesome! I can't wait for mine to arrive. I'm not sure if I should be intimidated or not by the assembly as it's my first crane, but either way I can't wait!
Paul R
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:50:46 AM

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Thanks for the photos a review Brandon. It does look like Weiss Bros have done a great job on this with only a few and minor issues.

I am starting wish we will see a European buy this crane and paint it up!

Paul R
Paul Crane
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:20:34 AM
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Brandon,
The 650 looks great. I wish mine would arrive. Please explain the boom section coffee table.
RobS
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:40:47 AM
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Great pics Brandon, I'd have bought 2 if I had seen this before I got mine Teeth

Only 1 question, what is the small pulley that hangs below the fixed luffing strut?

Table looks awesome too!

Rob
SDBOB
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:21:33 AM
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Thanks for all the information. Like the table.thinking how I can make one.
cranedude07
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:08:24 PM

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The hanging pulley on the lower strut is to help with raising the strut without an assist crane, i believe. You run a cable through it, tie it off, and wind up the drum and it pulls the strut up. Same thing on the superlift 3800 luffer

The end table was made by weiss brothers. Specifically for the 650. Was a package deal with the crane. The lattice is hand built by weiss brothers and they applied the manitowoc mlc650 logo decals to the underside of the glass. You can get several of them and they can actually pin together, just like the real boom sections, using the FACT system. You dont have to have the 650 logos on them either if you dont want them. Im sure you can get something else made. I would like to get another one for the 4100s but i dont think all 4 will fit on one, ringer will take up alot of space. The tables are not too big, only measure about 28 inches long, 15 inches tall, and about 18 inches wide. It makes a great display piece for any crane room though!

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Victor Pay
Posted: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 4:21:43 PM

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cranedude07 wrote:
and nothing for the a frame as it comes reeved already.





Reeved already this way, with the two knots? Weird - it would be far more logical to reeve it like the LR/LG 1750 a frame. (the model, that is.) With one rope going through, with both ends on the winch.
Not sure how the original crane is reeved though, tried to find out earlier by searching photos but couldn't find a clear picture.
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